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jabster's avatar

So leprechauns and gingers and the Catholic church and Guinness are out, and LARPing as a Celtic punk rocker is in?

Where are the Punk Rock Poser Police when you need them???!!!??

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Conor Fitzgerald's avatar

Where indeed, let me sign up

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Lucius DeBeers's avatar

It's depressing, Fitz. The irony being that the more the Irish hate the Americans the more American the Irish become. Globalist slop with a brogue. Indian managerial class with Irish characteristics. Celebrating the skin-deep parts of the culture as long as you're indistinguishable from Justin Trudeau or any number of eurocrats underneath.

America is funny because many of us end up frozen in a particular snapshot of our mother cultures. My grandparents left in the 50s. I never got the anti-Catholicism update, and my parents stayed in the Church. I've got a boomer friend who left Kerry when he was 3; his brand of Irish Republicanism (and he was directly involved) is decidedly outdated.

We'll know relations have healed when a 2% Irish-American tourist named McCarthy comes to Dublin to taste the Nigerian food and see the mosques, and a 50%-ethnic Irishman named Walid or Nyongo proudly shows him these things, and all agree it's a truly Irish experience.

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Tom's avatar

You forgot to mention that gobshite ‘The Guinness Guru’ who’s made a career out of turning Guinness into some kind of commodity fetishism object in his videos on YouTube and tiktok. He’s made ordering a pint of Guinness a consumer ritual whereby you have to check if your Guinness has bubbles, if it passes the ‘tilt test’, and finally ‘taste test or split the g’ to see if your Guinness has a proper ‘creamy head’ or ‘stick’ as he calls it. All this ridiculous shite. At a point in Dublin now where ‘Guinness/coffee connoisseur drinking’ is considered a hobby by some people. We’ve become a sad caricature of ourselves, especially in the capital, its culture death. Myself and my friends rarely visit the city centre anymore as a result. Ive retreated to the mountains, coast or countryside usually now.

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KeepingByzzy's avatar

Maybe we can make a deal, where we allow the Irish to keep making fun of Americans, and in return Tax Haven Island gives us back all of our stolen tax money?

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Scrap's avatar

The Irish want all the benefits of *selling out* their culture, their inheritance and their independence and want to *keep* all their social status and self image as people protective of their culture, their inheritance and their independence.

For example, the Irish expect two contradictory things from Americans.

1. To continue to receive American tourist dollars and be a tax heaven for foreign multinationals without the US doing something.

2. Respect as a hard-working, independent, complex people who care deeply for their family, neighbors, community and traditions and the source of the world's conscience.

No. 1 requires forfeiting key parts of true independence in a Faustian trade.

No. 1 requires self-Disneyfication - subjugation of core culture and politics to foreign commercialization, attention and financialization. It's obvious modern Ireland's fanatical embrace of No. 1 that No. 2 is laughable.

For at least 20 years, Americans with ever more tenuous connections to Ireland have turned a blind eye to this obvious contradiction out of goodwill. But a lot of Americans I've talked to in recent years have no good things to say about Ireland anymore, especially those who have visited Dublin and the tourist towns in the recent past. Everything has a cost - especially No. 1. And nothing lasts forever - not even for America's favorite Europeans.

I suspect this dynamic plays into what you've noticed.

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