You were way nicer than I was about this article. This article ideological garbage and is polluted with irrational and illogical claims and conclusions almost too numerous to identify.
You were way nicer than I was about this article. This article ideological garbage and is polluted with irrational and illogical claims and conclusions almost too numerous to identify.
agreed. MRAs come in many styles - there are the ones shouting 'harridan' 'bitterness' and 'pity us poor rapey men.' The inevitable 'I blame the feminists' aka 'I blame the women' ones. Then there are the ones who give themselves female screen names to go on a woman bashing hunt. All you need to do, men, is ditch the self fraud. Breathe deeply and take it on the chin that the male sex has a lot to answer for. It's called being honest and responsible. You can choose this. It's a good choice. It will make you happier and women and children will thrive on it.
"When I hear that attitude, or sense it’s at work, I begin to wonder what the problem we’re trying to solve here is - is it male unhappiness, or female unhappiness that men refuse to conform to as psychological model that is palatable to women."
wants and needs. Men keep putting their wants before the needs of women and children. Selfish. All about their desires and fantasies. Zero imagination. So there they all are with their screens full of trafficked girls playing with their genitals and fancying themselves fanciable when they are anything but. A depaved goon show Men with zero respect for themselves or anyone else.
' If they 'TRIED sometimes, they'd find, they'd get what they need.'
That fool Jagger sang it. He probably plucked the line from a book of proverbs.
Why not, though? You've already wasted hundreds in this comment section.
My point, of course, was that you are the exemplar of Fitzgerald's point in this article. Your cartoonish and frankly hateful conception of men is immune to all rational argumentation. You can only conceive of one way of being, which is to be like you. This is just solipsism, and it is an overwhelmingly (but not universally) feminine vice.
As a highly stereotypical man, I am more capable of putting my own preconceptions aside to view questions like these with detachment. While I may occasionally be irritated by the female propensity to personalize everything and spray emotions all over the room, I ultimately wouldn't have it any other way. (These are, after all, the sources of their greatest strengths.) If only you could see past yourself long enough to understand this applies to men in exactly the same fashion.
Calm down, lady. You're so verklempt that you're beginning to misspell.
Let's try to talk like adults here. While it is true that male humans are responsible for a great deal of evil, they are also the builders of civilizations. They are responsible for the fact that you can sit on your couch spewing barely coherent invective at complete strangers. They have designed and built almost all of the devices that allow you to live in unprecedented comfort and safety. They continue to do the vast majority of the work in sustaining the systems on which you depend, and in protecting you from the barbarians both within and without.
And human nature being what it is, you really can't have one without the other. The base qualities that cause men to benefit the whole human race are also those that can be turned to great evil. This is also true of women. And the answer is not to make men more like women (or--horrors--women more like men), but to brutally punish those who violate others.
This is where we actually can blame women, sort of. Women are the social police of whatever society they happen to find themselves in. They set the moral tone. In a healthy society, this is great. In a decaying society like ours, women uphold evil. They prevent us from addressing these problems as we should. They welcome foreign invaders and then wonder why sexual assault rates skyrocket. They moon over worthless criminals and sexual deviants, and then complain about the unshaven guy in the women's bathroom leering at their preteen daughter.
But ultimately, you're right: The fault lies with men. We made the grave mistake of allowing women to have a formal say in how society is run, and now we're faced with a catastrophe that's almost impossible to unravel.
"I celebrate living in a country that we can all have our own opinions. We all see things through our own set of lenses as we should."
Absolutely, oh I'm not suggesting anyone shouldn't have their own opinions. All the better when everyone does. That's the only way to have any kind of productive debate about where the tension and conflict between ideas arises.
Sometimes I find it's not the person with the most logical and reasonable argument that is valued, it's the one that people can relate to better. That's usually not a good thing - but it is what it is.
You were way nicer than I was about this article. This article ideological garbage and is polluted with irrational and illogical claims and conclusions almost too numerous to identify.
agreed. MRAs come in many styles - there are the ones shouting 'harridan' 'bitterness' and 'pity us poor rapey men.' The inevitable 'I blame the feminists' aka 'I blame the women' ones. Then there are the ones who give themselves female screen names to go on a woman bashing hunt. All you need to do, men, is ditch the self fraud. Breathe deeply and take it on the chin that the male sex has a lot to answer for. It's called being honest and responsible. You can choose this. It's a good choice. It will make you happier and women and children will thrive on it.
"When I hear that attitude, or sense it’s at work, I begin to wonder what the problem we’re trying to solve here is - is it male unhappiness, or female unhappiness that men refuse to conform to as psychological model that is palatable to women."
wants and needs. Men keep putting their wants before the needs of women and children. Selfish. All about their desires and fantasies. Zero imagination. So there they all are with their screens full of trafficked girls playing with their genitals and fancying themselves fanciable when they are anything but. A depaved goon show Men with zero respect for themselves or anyone else.
' If they 'TRIED sometimes, they'd find, they'd get what they need.'
That fool Jagger sang it. He probably plucked the line from a book of proverbs.
ps - fulfillment is a better word than happiness
Troll? Female solipsism? Both?
I can't possibly tell, but I'm sure if you talk (even) more, it will become clear.
no point wasting words on you. Tell the truth to men and they start spitting venom. Men will be men, eh!
Why not, though? You've already wasted hundreds in this comment section.
My point, of course, was that you are the exemplar of Fitzgerald's point in this article. Your cartoonish and frankly hateful conception of men is immune to all rational argumentation. You can only conceive of one way of being, which is to be like you. This is just solipsism, and it is an overwhelmingly (but not universally) feminine vice.
As a highly stereotypical man, I am more capable of putting my own preconceptions aside to view questions like these with detachment. While I may occasionally be irritated by the female propensity to personalize everything and spray emotions all over the room, I ultimately wouldn't have it any other way. (These are, after all, the sources of their greatest strengths.) If only you could see past yourself long enough to understand this applies to men in exactly the same fashion.
the stats will show you if you would care to be honest. Men are the raping murdering pedphile demographic. The article is empty.
Calm down, lady. You're so verklempt that you're beginning to misspell.
Let's try to talk like adults here. While it is true that male humans are responsible for a great deal of evil, they are also the builders of civilizations. They are responsible for the fact that you can sit on your couch spewing barely coherent invective at complete strangers. They have designed and built almost all of the devices that allow you to live in unprecedented comfort and safety. They continue to do the vast majority of the work in sustaining the systems on which you depend, and in protecting you from the barbarians both within and without.
And human nature being what it is, you really can't have one without the other. The base qualities that cause men to benefit the whole human race are also those that can be turned to great evil. This is also true of women. And the answer is not to make men more like women (or--horrors--women more like men), but to brutally punish those who violate others.
This is where we actually can blame women, sort of. Women are the social police of whatever society they happen to find themselves in. They set the moral tone. In a healthy society, this is great. In a decaying society like ours, women uphold evil. They prevent us from addressing these problems as we should. They welcome foreign invaders and then wonder why sexual assault rates skyrocket. They moon over worthless criminals and sexual deviants, and then complain about the unshaven guy in the women's bathroom leering at their preteen daughter.
But ultimately, you're right: The fault lies with men. We made the grave mistake of allowing women to have a formal say in how society is run, and now we're faced with a catastrophe that's almost impossible to unravel.
Exactly.
Thank you.
I celebrate living in a country that we can all have our own opinions. We all see things through our own set of lenses as we should.
"I celebrate living in a country that we can all have our own opinions. We all see things through our own set of lenses as we should."
Absolutely, oh I'm not suggesting anyone shouldn't have their own opinions. All the better when everyone does. That's the only way to have any kind of productive debate about where the tension and conflict between ideas arises.
Sometimes I find it's not the person with the most logical and reasonable argument that is valued, it's the one that people can relate to better. That's usually not a good thing - but it is what it is.
Can you give us an example?
Are you asking me? Example of? Where women need to chill and men rock or?